>More nigger racism on display from Obama. >__________
>July 22, 2010 >Race Played Role in Obama Car Dealer Closures >By William Tate
>The Obama administration, already under fire for unprecedented >allegations of racial bias, faces a new bias claim from a most >unlikely source: one of the administration's own inspectors general.
>Decisions on which car dealerships to close as part of the auto >industry bailout -- closures the Obama administration forced on >General Motors and Chrysler -- were based in part on race and gender, >according to a report by Troubled Asset Relief Program Special >Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky.
>[D]ealerships were retained because they were recently appointed, were >key wholesale parts dealers, or were minority- or woman-owned >dealerships. [Emphasis added.]
>Thus, to meet numbers forced on them by the Obama administration, >General Motors and Chrysler were forced to shutter other, potentially >more viable, dealerships. The livelihood of potentially tens of >thousands of families was thus eliminated simply because their >dealerships were not minority- or woman-owned.
>As has been widely reported, the Inspector General's study skewered >the Obama Gang for strong-arming the companies into closing 2,000 >dealerships, costing an estimated 100,000 people their jobs during a >recession.
>But the news media has ignored key elements of Barofsky's report -- >elements that are far more damaging, if possible, to Obama. As we >reported earlier in the week, a top Obama official, manufacturing czar >and "Auto Team" leader Ron Bloom admitted that the dealerships could >have been kept open, saving those jobs, "but that doing so would have >been inconsistent with the President's mandate for 'shared >sacrifice.'"
>Barofsky says the administration insisted on the closings even though >a GM official told him
>that GM would usually save 'not one damn cent' by closing any >particular dealership. ... Furthermore, a GM official stated that >removing a dealership from the network does not save money for GM -- >it might even cost GM money -- and that savings cannot be attributed >or assigned to any one dealership.
>And a reading of the IG's study makes plain that some dealership >closings forced by the administration were based largely on politics.
>The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for >closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that
>experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and >Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this >was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage >over their import competitors. [...]
>Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of >operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, >closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic >relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force >buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In >the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized >markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and >Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative >said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers >Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM >and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas. [Emphasis added.]
>Nevertheless, as Barofsky notes, "ultimately close to half of all of >the GM dealerships identified for termination were in rural areas."
>That is where raw, hard, sewage-filled Chicago politics came into >play.
>Records indicate that in 2008, Obama lost the vote totals in the >nation's 1,300 rural counties by nearly 80%.
>The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers of closures >ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas >disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- >Obama's geographical base -- were left open.
>Additionally, it has been widely theorized that dealers targeted for >closure as a result of Obama's interference were predominantly those >who donated campaign contributions to Republicans. Although evidence >to date is largely anecdotal, given what we've already reported about >the Obama administration's handling of the auto bailout, such >speculation does have considerable grounds for support.
>While that last point is leaves room for debate, the details contained >in the Barofsky report are not. As Barofsky points out, the Obama >administration was given an advance copy, and "Treasury [the Obama >Treasury Department] might not agree with how the audit's conclusions >portray the Auto Team's decision making or with the lessons that >SIGTARP has drawn from those facts, but it should be made clear that >Treasury has not challenged the essential underlying facts upon which >those conclusions are based."
>Included among those undisputed facts:
>-"[D]ealerships were retained because they were ... minority- or >woman-owned dealerships";
>-Thousands of jobs were lost, unnecessarily, due specifically to >Obama's "mandate for shared sacrifice";
>-A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural >dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures >could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.
>The media, of course, remain mute about these serious allegations in >the Barofsky report. They have limited their coverage to the job loss >numbers and tried to place the blame on Treasury Secretary Turbo-Tax >Tim Geithner.
>For now.
>Before long, we'll be reading that it was somehow Bush's fault.
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:24 GMT, Gettin'Some@YoMomma'sPlace (Brand > New Day, Same Old Shit) wrote:
> >More nigger racism on display from Obama. > >__________
> >July 22, 2010 > >Race Played Role in Obama Car Dealer Closures > >By William Tate
> >The Obama administration, already under fire for unprecedented > >allegations of racial bias, faces a new bias claim from a most > >unlikely source: one of the administration's own inspectors general.
> >Decisions on which car dealerships to close as part of the auto > >industry bailout -- closures the Obama administration forced on > >General Motors and Chrysler -- were based in part on race and gender, > >according to a report by Troubled Asset Relief Program Special > >Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky.
> >[D]ealerships were retained because they were recently appointed, were > >key wholesale parts dealers, or were minority- or woman-owned > >dealerships. [Emphasis added.]
> >Thus, to meet numbers forced on them by the Obama administration, > >General Motors and Chrysler were forced to shutter other, potentially > >more viable, dealerships. The livelihood of potentially tens of > >thousands of families was thus eliminated simply because their > >dealerships were not minority- or woman-owned.
> >As has been widely reported, the Inspector General's study skewered > >the Obama Gang for strong-arming the companies into closing 2,000 > >dealerships, costing an estimated 100,000 people their jobs during a > >recession.
> >But the news media has ignored key elements of Barofsky's report -- > >elements that are far more damaging, if possible, to Obama. As we > >reported earlier in the week, a top Obama official, manufacturing czar > >and "Auto Team" leader Ron Bloom admitted that the dealerships could > >have been kept open, saving those jobs, "but that doing so would have > >been inconsistent with the President's mandate for 'shared > >sacrifice.'"
> >Barofsky says the administration insisted on the closings even though > >a GM official told him
> >that GM would usually save 'not one damn cent' by closing any > >particular dealership. ... Furthermore, a GM official stated that > >removing a dealership from the network does not save money for GM -- > >it might even cost GM money -- and that savings cannot be attributed > >or assigned to any one dealership.
> >And a reading of the IG's study makes plain that some dealership > >closings forced by the administration were based largely on politics.
> >The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for > >closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that
> >experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and > >Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this > >was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage > >over their import competitors. [...]
> >Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of > >operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, > >closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic > >relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force > >buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In > >the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized > >markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and > >Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative > >said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers > >Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM > >and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas. [Emphasis added.]
> >Nevertheless, as Barofsky notes, "ultimately close to half of all of > >the GM dealerships identified for termination were in rural areas."
> >That is where raw, hard, sewage-filled Chicago politics came into > >play.
> >Records indicate that in 2008, Obama lost the vote totals in the > >nation's 1,300 rural counties by nearly 80%.
> >The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers of closures > >ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas > >disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- > >Obama's geographical base -- were left open.
> >Additionally, it has been widely theorized that dealers targeted for > >closure as a result of Obama's interference were predominantly those > >who donated campaign contributions to Republicans. Although evidence > >to date is largely anecdotal, given what we've already reported about > >the Obama administration's handling of the auto bailout, such > >speculation does have considerable grounds for support.
> >While that last point is leaves room for debate, the details contained > >in the Barofsky report are not. As Barofsky points out, the Obama > >administration was given an advance copy, and "Treasury [the Obama > >Treasury Department] might not agree with how the audit's conclusions > >portray the Auto Team's decision making or with the lessons that > >SIGTARP has drawn from those facts, but it should be made clear that > >Treasury has not challenged the essential underlying facts upon which > >those conclusions are based."
> >Included among those undisputed facts:
> >-"[D]ealerships were retained because they were ... minority- or > >woman-owned dealerships";
> >-Thousands of jobs were lost, unnecessarily, due specifically to > >Obama's "mandate for shared sacrifice";
> >-A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural > >dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures > >could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.
> >The media, of course, remain mute about these serious allegations in > >the Barofsky report. They have limited their coverage to the job loss > >numbers and tried to place the blame on Treasury Secretary Turbo-Tax > >Tim Geithner.
> >For now.
> >Before long, we'll be reading that it was somehow Bush's fault.
It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
On Jul 23, 8:13 am, DraggonFodder <commogu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If > you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. > After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and > selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the > number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
Low balls wrote............Are you saying he's as bad as Dick
Cheney?<<<<<<<<<<<
That damn Dick Cheney. He made the DOW go to 14,000, the SOB. If he was more like Obama, the DOW would have been at 10,000, where it belongs. -- JerryD(upstateNY)
"Lubow" <dynamitem...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If > you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. > After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and > selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the > number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
On Jul 23, 4:31 pm, "JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jer...@somewhere.rr.com> wrote:
> Low balls wrote............Are you saying he's as bad as Dick
> Cheney?<<<<<<<<<<<
> That damn Dick Cheney. > He made the DOW go to 14,000, the SOB.
And exactly how did he do that?
Do you think it was related to emptying the US Treasury by giving everyone a $350 check? Nah, Good ol' Jerry from Upstate NY would never fall for a politician buying his vote.
Perhaps it was related to converting the inherited surplus into a deficit? Nah. Cheney couldn't fool good ol' Jerry from Upstate NY with a crazy stunt like that.
Maybe it was related to creating a war for the purpose of increasing the value of his HAL options? Could Cheney do something as diabolical like that? Nah.. .Good ol' Jerry from Upstate NY would have the figured out in no time.
Gotta hand it to you, good ol' Jerry from Upstate NY... You know how to apply your intelligence when evaluating politicians.
The day the Democrats took over congress, the DOW was at 14,000 and it went downhill ever since. That is a fact, not some opinion you have about who did what. You can twist it any way you want, but it's still what happened. -- JerryD(upstateNY)
"Lubow" <dynamitem...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Low balls wrote............Are you saying he's as bad as Dick
> Cheney?<<<<<<<<<<<
> That damn Dick Cheney. > He made the DOW go to 14,000, the SOB.
And exactly how did he do that?
Do you think it was related to emptying the US Treasury by giving everyone a $350 check? Nah, Good ol' Jerry from Upstate NY would never fall for a politician buying his vote.
Perhaps it was related to converting the inherited surplus into a deficit? Nah. Cheney couldn't fool good ol' Jerry from Upstate NY with a crazy stunt like that.
Maybe it was related to creating a war for the purpose of increasing the value of his HAL options? Could Cheney do something as diabolical like that? Nah.. .Good ol' Jerry from Upstate NY would have the figured out in no time.
Gotta hand it to you, good ol' Jerry from Upstate NY... You know how to apply your intelligence when evaluating politicians.
> The day the Democrats took over congress, the DOW was at 14,000 and it > went downhill ever since. > That is a fact, not some opinion you have about who did what. > You can twist it any way you want, but it's still what happened.
Liberals don't understand facts. Don't you know that? They are not capable of processing information and coming to a conclusion. They are only able to believe what they are told from other liberals.
> On Jul 23, 7:56 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:24 GMT, Gettin'Some@YoMomma'sPlace (Brand > > New Day, Same Old Shit) wrote:
> > >More nigger racism on display from Obama. > > >__________
> > >July 22, 2010 > > >Race Played Role in Obama Car Dealer Closures > > >By William Tate
> > >The Obama administration, already under fire for unprecedented > > >allegations of racial bias, faces a new bias claim from a most > > >unlikely source: one of the administration's own inspectors general.
> > >Decisions on which car dealerships to close as part of the auto > > >industry bailout -- closures the Obama administration forced on > > >General Motors and Chrysler -- were based in part on race and gender, > > >according to a report by Troubled Asset Relief Program Special > > >Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky.
> > >[D]ealerships were retained because they were recently appointed, were > > >key wholesale parts dealers, or were minority- or woman-owned > > >dealerships. [Emphasis added.]
> > >Thus, to meet numbers forced on them by the Obama administration, > > >General Motors and Chrysler were forced to shutter other, potentially > > >more viable, dealerships. The livelihood of potentially tens of > > >thousands of families was thus eliminated simply because their > > >dealerships were not minority- or woman-owned.
> > >As has been widely reported, the Inspector General's study skewered > > >the Obama Gang for strong-arming the companies into closing 2,000 > > >dealerships, costing an estimated 100,000 people their jobs during a > > >recession.
> > >But the news media has ignored key elements of Barofsky's report -- > > >elements that are far more damaging, if possible, to Obama. As we > > >reported earlier in the week, a top Obama official, manufacturing czar > > >and "Auto Team" leader Ron Bloom admitted that the dealerships could > > >have been kept open, saving those jobs, "but that doing so would have > > >been inconsistent with the President's mandate for 'shared > > >sacrifice.'"
> > >Barofsky says the administration insisted on the closings even though > > >a GM official told him
> > >that GM would usually save 'not one damn cent' by closing any > > >particular dealership. ... Furthermore, a GM official stated that > > >removing a dealership from the network does not save money for GM -- > > >it might even cost GM money -- and that savings cannot be attributed > > >or assigned to any one dealership.
> > >And a reading of the IG's study makes plain that some dealership > > >closings forced by the administration were based largely on politics.
> > >The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for > > >closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that
> > >experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and > > >Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this > > >was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage > > >over their import competitors. [...]
> > >Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of > > >operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, > > >closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic > > >relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force > > >buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In > > >the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized > > >markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and > > >Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative > > >said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers > > >Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM > > >and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas. [Emphasis added.]
> > >Nevertheless, as Barofsky notes, "ultimately close to half of all of > > >the GM dealerships identified for termination were in rural areas."
> > >That is where raw, hard, sewage-filled Chicago politics came into > > >play.
> > >Records indicate that in 2008, Obama lost the vote totals in the > > >nation's 1,300 rural counties by nearly 80%.
> > >The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers of closures > > >ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas > > >disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- > > >Obama's geographical base -- were left open.
> > >Additionally, it has been widely theorized that dealers targeted for > > >closure as a result of Obama's interference were predominantly those > > >who donated campaign contributions to Republicans. Although evidence > > >to date is largely anecdotal, given what we've already reported about > > >the Obama administration's handling of the auto bailout, such > > >speculation does have considerable grounds for support.
> > >While that last point is leaves room for debate, the details contained > > >in the Barofsky report are not. As Barofsky points out, the Obama > > >administration was given an advance copy, and "Treasury [the Obama > > >Treasury Department] might not agree with how the audit's conclusions > > >portray the Auto Team's decision making or with the lessons that > > >SIGTARP has drawn from those facts, but it should be made clear that > > >Treasury has not challenged the essential underlying facts upon which > > >those conclusions are based."
> > >Included among those undisputed facts:
> > >-"[D]ealerships were retained because they were ... minority- or > > >woman-owned dealerships";
> > >-Thousands of jobs were lost, unnecessarily, due specifically to > > >Obama's "mandate for shared sacrifice";
> > >-A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural > > >dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures > > >could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.
> > >The media, of course, remain mute about these serious allegations in > > >the Barofsky report. They have limited their coverage to the job loss > > >numbers and tried to place the blame on Treasury Secretary Turbo-Tax > > >Tim Geithner.
> > >For now.
> > >Before long, we'll be reading that it was somehow Bush's fault.
> It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If > you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. > After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and > selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the > number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
> DraggonFodder
Because the Clampetts were the biggest CHEATS around, dropping sales made cheney brainies unprofitable for the US makers, coupled with piss poor customer satisfaction. Will repugnents blame Michelle for Mercury closing?
> On Jul 23, 7:13 am, DraggonFodder<commogu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 23, 7:56 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:24 GMT, Gettin'Some@YoMomma'sPlace (Brand >>> New Day, Same Old Shit) wrote:
>>>> More nigger racism on display from Obama. >>>> __________
>>>> July 22, 2010 >>>> Race Played Role in Obama Car Dealer Closures >>>> By William Tate
>>>> The Obama administration, already under fire for unprecedented >>>> allegations of racial bias, faces a new bias claim from a most >>>> unlikely source: one of the administration's own inspectors general.
>>>> Decisions on which car dealerships to close as part of the auto >>>> industry bailout -- closures the Obama administration forced on >>>> General Motors and Chrysler -- were based in part on race and gender, >>>> according to a report by Troubled Asset Relief Program Special >>>> Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky.
>>>> [D]ealerships were retained because they were recently appointed, were >>>> key wholesale parts dealers, or were minority- or woman-owned >>>> dealerships. [Emphasis added.]
>>>> Thus, to meet numbers forced on them by the Obama administration, >>>> General Motors and Chrysler were forced to shutter other, potentially >>>> more viable, dealerships. The livelihood of potentially tens of >>>> thousands of families was thus eliminated simply because their >>>> dealerships were not minority- or woman-owned.
>>>> As has been widely reported, the Inspector General's study skewered >>>> the Obama Gang for strong-arming the companies into closing 2,000 >>>> dealerships, costing an estimated 100,000 people their jobs during a >>>> recession.
>>>> But the news media has ignored key elements of Barofsky's report -- >>>> elements that are far more damaging, if possible, to Obama. As we >>>> reported earlier in the week, a top Obama official, manufacturing czar >>>> and "Auto Team" leader Ron Bloom admitted that the dealerships could >>>> have been kept open, saving those jobs, "but that doing so would have >>>> been inconsistent with the President's mandate for 'shared >>>> sacrifice.'"
>>>> Barofsky says the administration insisted on the closings even though >>>> a GM official told him
>>>> that GM would usually save 'not one damn cent' by closing any >>>> particular dealership. ... Furthermore, a GM official stated that >>>> removing a dealership from the network does not save money for GM -- >>>> it might even cost GM money -- and that savings cannot be attributed >>>> or assigned to any one dealership.
>>>> And a reading of the IG's study makes plain that some dealership >>>> closings forced by the administration were based largely on politics.
>>>> The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for >>>> closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that
>>>> experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and >>>> Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this >>>> was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage >>>> over their import competitors. [...]
>>>> Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of >>>> operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, >>>> closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic >>>> relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force >>>> buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In >>>> the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized >>>> markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and >>>> Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative >>>> said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers >>>> Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM >>>> and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas. [Emphasis added.]
>>>> Nevertheless, as Barofsky notes, "ultimately close to half of all of >>>> the GM dealerships identified for termination were in rural areas."
>>>> That is where raw, hard, sewage-filled Chicago politics came into >>>> play.
>>>> Records indicate that in 2008, Obama lost the vote totals in the >>>> nation's 1,300 rural counties by nearly 80%.
>>>> The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers of closures >>>> ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas >>>> disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- >>>> Obama's geographical base -- were left open.
>>>> Additionally, it has been widely theorized that dealers targeted for >>>> closure as a result of Obama's interference were predominantly those >>>> who donated campaign contributions to Republicans. Although evidence >>>> to date is largely anecdotal, given what we've already reported about >>>> the Obama administration's handling of the auto bailout, such >>>> speculation does have considerable grounds for support.
>>>> While that last point is leaves room for debate, the details contained >>>> in the Barofsky report are not. As Barofsky points out, the Obama >>>> administration was given an advance copy, and "Treasury [the Obama >>>> Treasury Department] might not agree with how the audit's conclusions >>>> portray the Auto Team's decision making or with the lessons that >>>> SIGTARP has drawn from those facts, but it should be made clear that >>>> Treasury has not challenged the essential underlying facts upon which >>>> those conclusions are based."
>>>> Included among those undisputed facts:
>>>> -"[D]ealerships were retained because they were ... minority- or >>>> woman-owned dealerships";
>>>> -Thousands of jobs were lost, unnecessarily, due specifically to >>>> Obama's "mandate for shared sacrifice";
>>>> -A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural >>>> dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures >>>> could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.
>>>> The media, of course, remain mute about these serious allegations in >>>> the Barofsky report. They have limited their coverage to the job loss >>>> numbers and tried to place the blame on Treasury Secretary Turbo-Tax >>>> Tim Geithner.
>>>> For now.
>>>> Before long, we'll be reading that it was somehow Bush's fault.
>> It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If >> you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. >> After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and >> selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the >> number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
>> DraggonFodder
> Because the Clampetts were the biggest CHEATS around, dropping sales > made cheney brainies unprofitable for the US makers, coupled with piss > poor customer satisfaction. Will repugnents blame Michelle for Mercury > closing?
Huh? I dont have my decoder ring handy. Isn't 'cheney-brainies' a oxymoron?
> The day the Democrats took over congress, the DOW was at 14,000 and it > went downhill ever since. > That is a fact, not some opinion you have about who did what. > You can twist it any way you want, but it's still what happened.
So what elections were held where Democrats took office Oct. 5th 2007?
The facts are there for anyone to see, regardless what you spew out of your mouth.
> > On Jul 23, 7:13 am, DraggonFodder<commogu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 23, 7:56 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:24 GMT, Gettin'Some@YoMomma'sPlace (Brand > >>> New Day, Same Old Shit) wrote:
> >>>> More nigger racism on display from Obama. > >>>> __________
> >>>> July 22, 2010 > >>>> Race Played Role in Obama Car Dealer Closures > >>>> By William Tate
> >>>> The Obama administration, already under fire for unprecedented > >>>> allegations of racial bias, faces a new bias claim from a most > >>>> unlikely source: one of the administration's own inspectors general.
> >>>> Decisions on which car dealerships to close as part of the auto > >>>> industry bailout -- closures the Obama administration forced on > >>>> General Motors and Chrysler -- were based in part on race and gender, > >>>> according to a report by Troubled Asset Relief Program Special > >>>> Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky.
> >>>> [D]ealerships were retained because they were recently appointed, were > >>>> key wholesale parts dealers, or were minority- or woman-owned > >>>> dealerships. [Emphasis added.]
> >>>> Thus, to meet numbers forced on them by the Obama administration, > >>>> General Motors and Chrysler were forced to shutter other, potentially > >>>> more viable, dealerships. The livelihood of potentially tens of > >>>> thousands of families was thus eliminated simply because their > >>>> dealerships were not minority- or woman-owned.
> >>>> As has been widely reported, the Inspector General's study skewered > >>>> the Obama Gang for strong-arming the companies into closing 2,000 > >>>> dealerships, costing an estimated 100,000 people their jobs during a > >>>> recession.
> >>>> But the news media has ignored key elements of Barofsky's report -- > >>>> elements that are far more damaging, if possible, to Obama. As we > >>>> reported earlier in the week, a top Obama official, manufacturing czar > >>>> and "Auto Team" leader Ron Bloom admitted that the dealerships could > >>>> have been kept open, saving those jobs, "but that doing so would have > >>>> been inconsistent with the President's mandate for 'shared > >>>> sacrifice.'"
> >>>> Barofsky says the administration insisted on the closings even though > >>>> a GM official told him
> >>>> that GM would usually save 'not one damn cent' by closing any > >>>> particular dealership. ... Furthermore, a GM official stated that > >>>> removing a dealership from the network does not save money for GM -- > >>>> it might even cost GM money -- and that savings cannot be attributed > >>>> or assigned to any one dealership.
> >>>> And a reading of the IG's study makes plain that some dealership > >>>> closings forced by the administration were based largely on politics.
> >>>> The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for > >>>> closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that
> >>>> experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and > >>>> Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this > >>>> was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage > >>>> over their import competitors. [...]
> >>>> Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of > >>>> operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, > >>>> closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic > >>>> relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force > >>>> buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In > >>>> the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized > >>>> markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and > >>>> Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative > >>>> said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers > >>>> Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM > >>>> and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas. [Emphasis added.]
> >>>> Nevertheless, as Barofsky notes, "ultimately close to half of all of > >>>> the GM dealerships identified for termination were in rural areas."
> >>>> That is where raw, hard, sewage-filled Chicago politics came into > >>>> play.
> >>>> Records indicate that in 2008, Obama lost the vote totals in the > >>>> nation's 1,300 rural counties by nearly 80%.
> >>>> The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers of closures > >>>> ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas > >>>> disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- > >>>> Obama's geographical base -- were left open.
> >>>> Additionally, it has been widely theorized that dealers targeted for > >>>> closure as a result of Obama's interference were predominantly those > >>>> who donated campaign contributions to Republicans. Although evidence > >>>> to date is largely anecdotal, given what we've already reported about > >>>> the Obama administration's handling of the auto bailout, such > >>>> speculation does have considerable grounds for support.
> >>>> While that last point is leaves room for debate, the details contained > >>>> in the Barofsky report are not. As Barofsky points out, the Obama > >>>> administration was given an advance copy, and "Treasury [the Obama > >>>> Treasury Department] might not agree with how the audit's conclusions > >>>> portray the Auto Team's decision making or with the lessons that > >>>> SIGTARP has drawn from those facts, but it should be made clear that > >>>> Treasury has not challenged the essential underlying facts upon which > >>>> those conclusions are based."
> >>>> Included among those undisputed facts:
> >>>> -"[D]ealerships were retained because they were ... minority- or > >>>> woman-owned dealerships";
> >>>> -Thousands of jobs were lost, unnecessarily, due specifically to > >>>> Obama's "mandate for shared sacrifice";
> >>>> -A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural > >>>> dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures > >>>> could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.
> >>>> The media, of course, remain mute about these serious allegations in > >>>> the Barofsky report. They have limited their coverage to the job loss > >>>> numbers and tried to place the blame on Treasury Secretary Turbo-Tax > >>>> Tim Geithner.
> >>>> For now.
> >>>> Before long, we'll be reading that it was somehow Bush's fault.
> >> It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If > >> you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. > >> After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and > >> selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the > >> number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
> >> DraggonFodder
> > Because the Clampetts were the biggest CHEATS around, dropping sales > > made cheney brainies unprofitable for the US makers, coupled with piss > > poor customer satisfaction. Will repugnents blame Michelle for Mercury > > closing?
> Huh? I dont have my decoder ring handy. > Isn't 'cheney-brainies' a oxymoron?
> CLAMPETTS? CHENEY BRANIES? explain plez?
Don't lie and claim you never watched the Beverly Hillbillies: Jed, Jethro, Ellie Mae, Grannie, Mr. Drysdale. Hint Clampetts=Hicks.
Cheney Brainies are all the unrepentent tea baggers and their business shills.
> On Jul 23, 7:56 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:24 GMT, Gettin'Some@YoMomma'sPlace (Brand >> New Day, Same Old Shit) wrote:
>>> More nigger racism on display from Obama. >>> __________
>>> July 22, 2010 >>> Race Played Role in Obama Car Dealer Closures >>> By William Tate
>>> The Obama administration, already under fire for unprecedented >>> allegations of racial bias, faces a new bias claim from a most >>> unlikely source: one of the administration's own inspectors general.
>>> Decisions on which car dealerships to close as part of the auto >>> industry bailout -- closures the Obama administration forced on >>> General Motors and Chrysler -- were based in part on race and gender, >>> according to a report by Troubled Asset Relief Program Special >>> Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky.
>>> [D]ealerships were retained because they were recently appointed, were >>> key wholesale parts dealers, or were minority- or woman-owned >>> dealerships. [Emphasis added.]
>>> Thus, to meet numbers forced on them by the Obama administration, >>> General Motors and Chrysler were forced to shutter other, potentially >>> more viable, dealerships. The livelihood of potentially tens of >>> thousands of families was thus eliminated simply because their >>> dealerships were not minority- or woman-owned.
>>> As has been widely reported, the Inspector General's study skewered >>> the Obama Gang for strong-arming the companies into closing 2,000 >>> dealerships, costing an estimated 100,000 people their jobs during a >>> recession.
>>> But the news media has ignored key elements of Barofsky's report -- >>> elements that are far more damaging, if possible, to Obama. As we >>> reported earlier in the week, a top Obama official, manufacturing czar >>> and "Auto Team" leader Ron Bloom admitted that the dealerships could >>> have been kept open, saving those jobs, "but that doing so would have >>> been inconsistent with the President's mandate for 'shared >>> sacrifice.'"
>>> Barofsky says the administration insisted on the closings even though >>> a GM official told him
>>> that GM would usually save 'not one damn cent' by closing any >>> particular dealership. ... Furthermore, a GM official stated that >>> removing a dealership from the network does not save money for GM -- >>> it might even cost GM money -- and that savings cannot be attributed >>> or assigned to any one dealership.
>>> And a reading of the IG's study makes plain that some dealership >>> closings forced by the administration were based largely on politics.
>>> The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for >>> closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that
>>> experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and >>> Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this >>> was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage >>> over their import competitors. [...]
>>> Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of >>> operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, >>> closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic >>> relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force >>> buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In >>> the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized >>> markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and >>> Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative >>> said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers >>> Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM >>> and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas. [Emphasis added.]
>>> Nevertheless, as Barofsky notes, "ultimately close to half of all of >>> the GM dealerships identified for termination were in rural areas."
>>> That is where raw, hard, sewage-filled Chicago politics came into >>> play.
>>> Records indicate that in 2008, Obama lost the vote totals in the >>> nation's 1,300 rural counties by nearly 80%.
>>> The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers of closures >>> ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas >>> disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- >>> Obama's geographical base -- were left open.
>>> Additionally, it has been widely theorized that dealers targeted for >>> closure as a result of Obama's interference were predominantly those >>> who donated campaign contributions to Republicans. Although evidence >>> to date is largely anecdotal, given what we've already reported about >>> the Obama administration's handling of the auto bailout, such >>> speculation does have considerable grounds for support.
>>> While that last point is leaves room for debate, the details contained >>> in the Barofsky report are not. As Barofsky points out, the Obama >>> administration was given an advance copy, and "Treasury [the Obama >>> Treasury Department] might not agree with how the audit's conclusions >>> portray the Auto Team's decision making or with the lessons that >>> SIGTARP has drawn from those facts, but it should be made clear that >>> Treasury has not challenged the essential underlying facts upon which >>> those conclusions are based."
>>> Included among those undisputed facts:
>>> -"[D]ealerships were retained because they were ... minority- or >>> woman-owned dealerships";
>>> -Thousands of jobs were lost, unnecessarily, due specifically to >>> Obama's "mandate for shared sacrifice";
>>> -A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural >>> dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures >>> could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.
>>> The media, of course, remain mute about these serious allegations in >>> the Barofsky report. They have limited their coverage to the job loss >>> numbers and tried to place the blame on Treasury Secretary Turbo-Tax >>> Tim Geithner.
>>> For now.
>>> Before long, we'll be reading that it was somehow Bush's fault.
> It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If > you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. > After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and > selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the > number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
> DraggonFodder
Nonsense. Do you seriously think a president of the US personally scanned the backgrounds of thousands of dealers?
On Aug 7, 6:21 pm, Paladin <paladi...@giganews.com> wrote:
> > It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If > > you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. > > After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and > > selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the > > number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
> > DraggonFodder
> Nonsense. Do you seriously think a president of the US > personally scanned the backgrounds of thousands of dealers?
Hey.. you're talking to the same guys that wanted Obama to put on a wet suit, dive down a mile and close the BP well single handed. Then they got a little smarter and insisted that Obama leave Washington and run the country out of a destroyer parked in the Gulf. At least that's what I gleaned from a nauseating day listening to hatemonger radio.
> > On Jul 23, 7:56 am, tripletask@gmail..com wrote: > >> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:24 GMT, Gettin'Some@YoMomma'sPlace (Brand > >> New Day, Same Old Shit) wrote:
> >>> More nigger racism on display from Obama. > >>> __________
> >>> July 22, 2010 > >>> Race Played Role in Obama Car Dealer Closures > >>> By William Tate
> >>> The Obama administration, already under fire for unprecedented > >>> allegations of racial bias, faces a new bias claim from a most > >>> unlikely source: one of the administration's own inspectors general.
> >>> Decisions on which car dealerships to close as part of the auto > >>> industry bailout -- closures the Obama administration forced on > >>> General Motors and Chrysler -- were based in part on race and gender, > >>> according to a report by Troubled Asset Relief Program Special > >>> Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky.
> >>> [D]ealerships were retained because they were recently appointed, were > >>> key wholesale parts dealers, or were minority- or woman-owned > >>> dealerships. [Emphasis added.]
> >>> Thus, to meet numbers forced on them by the Obama administration, > >>> General Motors and Chrysler were forced to shutter other, potentially > >>> more viable, dealerships. The livelihood of potentially tens of > >>> thousands of families was thus eliminated simply because their > >>> dealerships were not minority- or woman-owned.
> >>> As has been widely reported, the Inspector General's study skewered > >>> the Obama Gang for strong-arming the companies into closing 2,000 > >>> dealerships, costing an estimated 100,000 people their jobs during a > >>> recession.
> >>> But the news media has ignored key elements of Barofsky's report -- > >>> elements that are far more damaging, if possible, to Obama. As we > >>> reported earlier in the week, a top Obama official, manufacturing czar > >>> and "Auto Team" leader Ron Bloom admitted that the dealerships could > >>> have been kept open, saving those jobs, "but that doing so would have > >>> been inconsistent with the President's mandate for 'shared > >>> sacrifice.'"
> >>> Barofsky says the administration insisted on the closings even though > >>> a GM official told him
> >>> that GM would usually save 'not one damn cent' by closing any > >>> particular dealership. ... Furthermore, a GM official stated that > >>> removing a dealership from the network does not save money for GM -- > >>> it might even cost GM money -- and that savings cannot be attributed > >>> or assigned to any one dealership.
> >>> And a reading of the IG's study makes plain that some dealership > >>> closings forced by the administration were based largely on politics.
> >>> The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for > >>> closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that
> >>> experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and > >>> Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this > >>> was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage > >>> over their import competitors. [...]
> >>> Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of > >>> operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, > >>> closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic > >>> relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force > >>> buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In > >>> the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized > >>> markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and > >>> Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative > >>> said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers > >>> Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM > >>> and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas. [Emphasis added.]
> >>> Nevertheless, as Barofsky notes, "ultimately close to half of all of > >>> the GM dealerships identified for termination were in rural areas."
> >>> That is where raw, hard, sewage-filled Chicago politics came into > >>> play.
> >>> Records indicate that in 2008, Obama lost the vote totals in the > >>> nation's 1,300 rural counties by nearly 80%.
> >>> The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers of closures > >>> ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas > >>> disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- > >>> Obama's geographical base -- were left open.
> >>> Additionally, it has been widely theorized that dealers targeted for > >>> closure as a result of Obama's interference were predominantly those > >>> who donated campaign contributions to Republicans. Although evidence > >>> to date is largely anecdotal, given what we've already reported about > >>> the Obama administration's handling of the auto bailout, such > >>> speculation does have considerable grounds for support.
> >>> While that last point is leaves room for debate, the details contained > >>> in the Barofsky report are not. As Barofsky points out, the Obama > >>> administration was given an advance copy, and "Treasury [the Obama > >>> Treasury Department] might not agree with how the audit's conclusions > >>> portray the Auto Team's decision making or with the lessons that > >>> SIGTARP has drawn from those facts, but it should be made clear that > >>> Treasury has not challenged the essential underlying facts upon which > >>> those conclusions are based."
> >>> Included among those undisputed facts:
> >>> -"[D]ealerships were retained because they were ... minority- or > >>> woman-owned dealerships";
> >>> -Thousands of jobs were lost, unnecessarily, due specifically to > >>> Obama's "mandate for shared sacrifice";
> >>> -A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural > >>> dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures > >>> could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.
> >>> The media, of course, remain mute about these serious allegations in > >>> the Barofsky report. They have limited their coverage to the job loss > >>> numbers and tried to place the blame on Treasury Secretary Turbo-Tax > >>> Tim Geithner.
> >>> For now.
> >>> Before long, we'll be reading that it was somehow Bush's fault.
> > It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If > > you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. > > After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and > > selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the > > number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
> > DraggonFodder
> Nonsense. Do you seriously think a president of the US > personally scanned the backgrounds of thousands of dealers?
No, but I bet he had staff to do it for him.
DraggonFodder You don't have to do something yourself to have caused the action to be taken.
> On Aug 7, 6:21 pm, Paladin <paladi...@giganews.com> wrote:
> > > It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If > > > you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. > > > After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and > > > selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the > > > number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
> > > DraggonFodder
> > Nonsense. Do you seriously think a president of the US > > personally scanned the backgrounds of thousands of dealers?
> Hey.. you're talking to the same guys that wanted Obama to put on a > wet suit, dive down a mile and close the BP well single handed. Then > they got a little smarter and insisted that Obama leave Washington and > run the country out of a destroyer parked in the Gulf. At least > that's what I gleaned from a nauseating day listening to hatemonger > radio.
Hey, he plays golf weekly and basket ball, why not scuba diving.
DraggonFodder So you have been listening to the lefty news radio. You should try Glen Beck or Rush. They stick the knife in with facts to back it up. Lefties just call everyone racists. Can't wait until they use Bush to campaign against again. Old tactic won't work this time.
> On Aug 7, 8:57 pm, Lubow<dynamitem...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Aug 7, 6:21 pm, Paladin<paladi...@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>> It wasn't just white dealerships, it was conservative dealerships. If >>>> you donated to his campaign you were alright, if you didn't, too bad. >>>> After all, why would you close dealerships that were profitable and >>>> selling your GM cars. You increase unemployment and you decrease the >>>> number of cars you sell. Totally political and totally wrong.
>>>> DraggonFodder
>>> Nonsense. Do you seriously think a president of the US >>> personally scanned the backgrounds of thousands of dealers?
>> Hey.. you're talking to the same guys that wanted Obama to put on a >> wet suit, dive down a mile and close the BP well single handed. Then >> they got a little smarter and insisted that Obama leave Washington and >> run the country out of a destroyer parked in the Gulf. At least >> that's what I gleaned from a nauseating day listening to hatemonger >> radio.
> Hey, he plays golf weekly and basket ball, why not scuba diving.
> DraggonFodder > So you have been listening to the lefty news radio. You should try > Glen Beck or Rush. They stick the knife in with facts to back it up. > Lefties just call everyone racists. Can't wait until they use Bush to > campaign against again. Old tactic won't work this time.
Rush and BECK?
Two of the biggest right-wing goofballs on the air. Beck with his Nazi uniform.. RUSH with is Oxycontin? We are talking two of the biggest TV mouths that are so outlandish that you just have to dismiss EVERYTHING they say..
Ever listen to Michael Savage and The Savage Nation? Fun to listen to driving down the highway 3-6pm PDT but another right wing freak show.
On Aug 8, 6:26 pm, DraggonFodder <commogu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> DraggonFodder > So you have been listening to the lefty news radio. You should try > Glen Beck or Rush. They stick the knife in with facts to back it up. > Lefties just call everyone racists. Can't wait until they use Bush to > campaign against again. Old tactic won't work this time.
Well, DF, you are going around repeating stuff you heard on hate radio. Here is your big chance to prove they're telling you the truth. Just give us some link on the Internet to back up your claim that there are political considerations that determine which GM or Chrysler dealerships get dropped.
If you cannot give us this level of proof, it only means that you are a sucker for any hatemonger that is in sync with your own beliefs. I know you are not a hateful guy, so here's your chance to prove it. Just give us a website that validates what you are telling us. I think that's being fair because you are expressing some very serious charges and expecting us to believe them.
> Ever listen to Michael Savage and The Savage Nation? Fun to listen to > driving down the highway 3-6pm PDT but another right wing freak show.
Savage? Yeah, he's fun and if you're driving you will not fall asleep if he's on the air. He is sort of a rightwing Letterman. However, if you have autistic kids, he is not a lot of fun.
Savage/Weiner is simply a blowhard who, like Helen Thomas, lost his ability to mentally edit his words. It took Helen 80 years, while Savage lost the editing ability in his forties.
So is that what's wrong with Seth Tenenbaum? You seem touchy on the issue of "defective" children...I will say this, any child of yours that hasn't petitioned for power of attorney due to your obvious mental incapacity to manage your affairs must be severely retarded...
> Savage/Weiner is simply a blowhard who, like Helen Thomas, lost his > ability to mentally edit his words. It took Helen 80 years, while > Savage lost the editing ability in his forties.
Did you EVER have the ability to not lie and cheat and be in any way a productive member of society? What DID lead to your separation from the NYC Transit Authority? You did have a pretty sweet gig there standing around on construction sites with a stick in your reflective vest at taxpayer expense...
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